Pages in topic:   < [1 2 3]
How do I use SDLTM with MemoQ?
Thread poster: Thomas T. Frost
VIP9N
VIP9N
Local time: 17:34
Russian to English
+ ...
Accusing Kilgray for third-party tools is ridiculous Oct 7, 2015

Thomas T. Frost wrote:
The only help from MemoQ I've been able to find is this article:
https://kb.kilgray.com/article/AA-00323/0/Convert-SDLTM-and-SDLTB-without-SDL-Trados-Studio-or-MultiTerm.html
...I've downloaded the program and dll, but once I click start to convert to TMX, nothing happens, except that it generates a tiny 1 KB TMX file...


Dear Thomas, accusing Kilgray for smth, which they did not created cannot be serious of you. It can be funny. You can visit this page http://wordfast.fi/blog/cat-tools/2012/11/03/convert-sdltm-and-sdltb-without-studio-and-multiterm/ and ask the authors of this memory converter (from SDLTM into TMX) why it does not operate as intended. Why Kilgray? Tomorrow you might need to get a TMX from SDLTM for using it in Atril DejaVu, so will you accuse Atril in this case?

Just ask the client for exchange format like TMX, or you can struggle forever with third-party tools and their authors. Kilgray is innocent here. They only suggested you using that converter, but they wrote for you in the bottom of the page: "...WfConverter is an alternative to Thomas van Nellen’s script for SDLTM files and to Gerhard Kordmann’s GlossaryConverter for SDLTB files..." Isn't it clear?

Good luck Thomas.


 
Michael Beijer
Michael Beijer  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 14:34
Member (2009)
Dutch to English
+ ...
not all CAT tool use proprietary formats for storing their data Oct 7, 2015

VIP9N wrote:

All CATs have their proprietory formats for storing "memories"

Dear Thomas,

You should not mix a CAT capability to process the translated materials and (only) some of the other CATs' project formats with the working files (required to operate) of those CATs themselves. SDLTM is the proprietory format of Trados Studio to store its own memories. It cannot be read or written by any other software. Even by its own ancestor Trados Workbench. By the way, MemoQ has its own formats too

It seems to me that the thing is obvious for anyone who is in touch with CATs, software or computers And I see nothing serious or humiliating me, if ask my client(-s) not to send me formats that I cannot process. No matter how unreasonable man I am, I know that to get the required result I am to adhere the rules of the game.

Hold on Thomas and good luck to you!


Hmm, not all CAT tool use proprietary formats for storing translation memories (or termbases). There are a few left that use standard/interoperable/open text/XML formats to store bilingual data, such as my CAT tool, CafeTran, which stores segments in TMXs, and terms/phrases in tab-delimited txt files (and/or TMXs).

If more tools did this, our lives would be a lot easier.

However, it is obviously in the interest of the big players to lock you into their so-called ‘ecosystem’, or whatever other jargony marketing term they are using today to blind their sheep with.

Michael


 
Thomas T. Frost
Thomas T. Frost  Identity Verified
Portugal
Local time: 14:34
Danish to English
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
Accusing me for something I haven't said is just as ridiculous Oct 7, 2015

VIP9N wrote:

Thomas T. Frost wrote:
The only help from MemoQ I've been able to find is this article:
https://kb.kilgray.com/article/AA-00323/0/Convert-SDLTM-and-SDLTB-without-SDL-Trados-Studio-or-MultiTerm.html
...I've downloaded the program and dll, but once I click start to convert to TMX, nothing happens, except that it generates a tiny 1 KB TMX file...


Dear Thomas, accusing Kilgray for smth, which they did not created cannot be serious of you.


There is no accusation in that statement, only a description of what happened. As you can see, I found the information on kilgray.com. That's all. I haven't accused them of anything in relation to this. Please try to make an effort to understand what is written, and stop accusing me of something I haven't said.

The explanation that no progress could be seen, by the way, is that the client had provided an empty TM, so the tool converted it in a flash without showing any progress or telling me the conversion was complete, so it is very basic but apparently works.

VIP9N wrote:
Just ask the client for exchange format like TMX, or you can struggle forever with third-party tools and their authors.


I have already said at least once that it will be dealt with as TMX or SDLPPX, so there is no need to keep suggesting the same solution that has already been posted.

VIP9N wrote:
Kilgray is innocent here.


I have NOT accused them of being responsible for that tool, and I have NOT criticised them for not supporting SDLTM. Please STOP accusing me of something I have NOT said. It is getting annoying, and it is unprofessional behaviour.

I have suggested that more information about formats would be helpful, and that was met with scorn from another forum participant for some reason.

VIP9N wrote:
Isn't it clear?


Let me repeat for the nth time that the question was if MemoQ supports SDLTM, and how to deal with SDLTM and MemoQ. Since the information was not provided by Kilgray, I asked. Is that so difficult to understand? I have already demonstrated that Kilgray's list of supported formats is incomplete. Hence, one cannot deduct from that list if a missing format is supported or not.


 
VIP9N
VIP9N
Local time: 17:34
Russian to English
+ ...
Final result Oct 8, 2015

OK Thomas. Now, upon such an ardent discussion where we tried not to help you but only accused you (let me express apologies from all those participating and being so rude and unhelpful), did you finally understand that MemoQ does not support the SDL proprietory format of their memories SDLTM and it requires converting into something exchangeable like TMX, for example?

If yes, then our efforts have not been wasted, I
... See more
OK Thomas. Now, upon such an ardent discussion where we tried not to help you but only accused you (let me express apologies from all those participating and being so rude and unhelpful), did you finally understand that MemoQ does not support the SDL proprietory format of their memories SDLTM and it requires converting into something exchangeable like TMX, for example?

If yes, then our efforts have not been wasted, I guess. Good luck Thomas.
Collapse


 
Kirsten Bodart
Kirsten Bodart  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:34
Dutch to English
+ ...
Looking whether SDLTM is supported is easy Oct 8, 2015

In the Import from TMX/CSV box inside the Translation Memories tab of your Project, go to the bottom right and select the drop-down menu (arrow pointing down) for 'All supported files'. There you will see the supported file formats with their extensions and sdltm is not there. You can probably not see it either if you try to import it (although I haven't been able to test that). That should suggest the program can't do what you want it to do, even if Kilgray hasn't got it on any comprehensive li... See more
In the Import from TMX/CSV box inside the Translation Memories tab of your Project, go to the bottom right and select the drop-down menu (arrow pointing down) for 'All supported files'. There you will see the supported file formats with their extensions and sdltm is not there. You can probably not see it either if you try to import it (although I haven't been able to test that). That should suggest the program can't do what you want it to do, even if Kilgray hasn't got it on any comprehensive list.Collapse


 
Thomas T. Frost
Thomas T. Frost  Identity Verified
Portugal
Local time: 14:34
Danish to English
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
Indeed, but... Oct 8, 2015

Kirsten Bodart wrote:

In the Import from TMX/CSV box inside the Translation Memories tab of your Project, go to the bottom right and select the drop-down menu (arrow pointing down) for 'All supported files'. There you will see the supported file formats with their extensions and sdltm is not there. You can probably not see it either if you try to import it (although I haven't been able to test that). That should suggest the program can't do what you want it to do, even if Kilgray hasn't got it on any comprehensive list.


Yes, it does say that. It's quick to find out that it won't import it that way, in any case.

But as we're dealing with complex software and complex file formats, a non-CAT specialist user can never really know if a special import procedure has been provided but not integrated in the normal import procedure. There could be a standalone two-way conversion tool one could invoke manually, before importing, just to mention an example of how it could be done. If one doesn't ask, one will never know about it.

When you are a software specialist, you also know that things may not be as simple as they appear, so although some people here have said it's "obvious", it absolutely isn't.


 
Thomas T. Frost
Thomas T. Frost  Identity Verified
Portugal
Local time: 14:34
Danish to English
+ ...
TOPIC STARTER
That's what I posted a while ago Oct 8, 2015

VIP9N wrote:
did you finally understand that MemoQ does not support the SDL proprietory format of their memories SDLTM


Indeed. The attentive reader would have noticed that that's what I posted two days ago:

"Here is Kilgray supports' reply:

"Thank you for contacting us. memoQ cannot handle SDLTM files on their own at the moment, only if they are inside of SDLPPX packages. Both programs can use TMX files for TM operations (import/export), so my suggestion would be to use that."

That's clear. The client has confirmed they'll supply TMX."

That really was the end of the debate, and what followed was not necessary.

You may consider it obvious that it wasn't supported, but if you had worked 20 years as a software and systems specialist, as I have, you'd have known that compatibility issues aren't as black and white as you thought. If you're a PC user, chances are that your PC is not made by IBM but is a 'compatible' model, so it shouldn't work - if your logic were to be taken to the extreme.

[Edited at 2015-10-08 11:40 GMT]


 
Laurie Schiet-Heath
Laurie Schiet-Heath
Netherlands
Local time: 15:34
Member
Dutch to English
easy solution to convert SDLTM to TMX Mar 6, 2019

A while ago I found a neat little script app to easily convert SDLTM files into TMX files that memoQ can use. [This may be the one to which Thomas, the original poster, was referring.]

The download link can be found on Thomas van Ellen's website:
http://www.vannellen.com/fortranslators.php

I have just used this so I can confirm that it currently works.

[
... See more
A while ago I found a neat little script app to easily convert SDLTM files into TMX files that memoQ can use. [This may be the one to which Thomas, the original poster, was referring.]

The download link can be found on Thomas van Ellen's website:
http://www.vannellen.com/fortranslators.php

I have just used this so I can confirm that it currently works.

[Edited at 2019-03-06 20:39 GMT]
Collapse


 
Pages in topic:   < [1 2 3]


To report site rules violations or get help, contact a site moderator:


You can also contact site staff by submitting a support request »

How do I use SDLTM with MemoQ?






Trados Business Manager Lite
Create customer quotes and invoices from within Trados Studio

Trados Business Manager Lite helps to simplify and speed up some of the daily tasks, such as invoicing and reporting, associated with running your freelance translation business.

More info »
Trados Studio 2022 Freelance
The leading translation software used by over 270,000 translators.

Designed with your feedback in mind, Trados Studio 2022 delivers an unrivalled, powerful desktop and cloud solution, empowering you to work in the most efficient and cost-effective way.

More info »