Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

encore tributaire de cette reflexion de

English translation:

still owes a great deal/too much to the thoughts....

Added to glossary by Lara Barnett
May 1, 2017 23:36
7 yrs ago
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French term

encore tributaire de cette reflexion de

French to English Bus/Financial General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters Yearly company speech/letter by staff reps of cement works
“l’engagement du cimentier n’est plus a prouver; mais le votre reste encore tributaire de cette reflexion de Peter DRUKER dans son livre LE BAROMETRE DE GESTION STRATEGIQUE: “…Le centre de la société modern, …”

This speech/letter appeals to the Executive Committee. The staff are asking for better salaries and means of travel etc to improve their working lives. They have just explained the efforts they and their family are putting into pulling the company through the difficult year it has been through.
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Non-PRO (2): Nikki Scott-Despaigne, writeaway

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Discussion

Tony M May 2, 2017:
@ Asker There's nothing particularly "stilted" about it — however, it conveys quite the wrong meaning in this particular instance!

It's important to remember that 'tributaire de...' means 'dendent on...' in a usually negative way: think of the idea as being 'subservient to' or 'secondary to' (cf. uses like a 'tributary' to a river or 'paying tribute' to someone. This is what the term is used in FR here, instead of (say) 'dépendre de...' etc.

So the meaning you need here need to reflect something of the notion of 'still a slave to...', 'still under the influence of...', etc.
Lara Barnett (asker) May 2, 2017:
Depends / Dependant upon Thanks to all who have suggested/commented on this. I was actually trying to avoid using this as I thought it sounded a bit stilted considering the emotional nature of (this part especially) of the speech/letter.
polyglot45 May 2, 2017:
tributaire de can often be translated by "contingent (up)on" though here the meaning its slightly diferent

Proposed translations

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still owes a great deal/too much to the thoughts....

.... expressed by PD in his book .....
I add the possibility "too much" as an alternative to 'a great deal', insofar as it seems to me, from what you say, that the staff reps are in protest mode. In other words, that the emplyers are wrong to take into account the thoughts of PD
Peer comment(s):

agree Victoria Britten : 'a great deal' is safer, but your 'too much' option clarifies your thinking (and, to my mind, that of the original).
59 mins
Thanks Victoria :-)
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne : Yes, or "still remains largely dependent upon the thoughts of..."
1 hr
Thanks Nikki :-) Yes, 'dependent' is a better alternative imo to 'depends on'
agree Yvonne Gallagher
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Thanks Gallagy :-)
agree AllegroTrans
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Thanks AllegroTrans :-)
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are still part and parcel of the ideas expressed by

Peter Drucker

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Note added at 9 mins (2017-05-01 23:46:40 GMT)
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or: stiill go a good way to substantiating the ideas etc.

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Note added at 14 mins (2017-05-01 23:50:59 GMT)
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"these ideas" would be more specific

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Note added at 14 mins (2017-05-01 23:51:42 GMT)
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and "still" of course
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : I don't think that adequately conveys the 'subservient to...' aspect that 'tributaire' embodies here.
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French term (edited): encore tributaire de

still overly / unduly influenced by

Or possibly 'still show undue influence by...' — or several other possibilites along those lines.
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still depends on Peter Drucker's thought...

my take

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Note added at 13 hrs (2017-05-02 13:18:33 GMT)
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to depend on P. Drucker = to need the help and support of P. Drucker to stand, to make sense
Peer comment(s):

neutral Tony M : I don't think that adequately conveys the 'subservient to...' aspect that 'tributaire' embodies here. / Yes, but in EN you can't really use it with that sense with 'engagement' as the subject.
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seev above
neutral AllegroTrans : I reallly don't think anything depends on another person's thoughts... more a question of influence
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Reference comments

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Reference:

Dictionaries

The meaning of "tributaire", a synonym of "dependant" can be found in a dictionary. Living in France, it is a term one hears a great deal.

http://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/tributaire/795...
Qui dépend de quelqu'un, de quelque chose d'autre : Une économie tributaire de l'étranger.

http://dictionnaire.reverso.net/francais-definition/tributai...




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Note added at 9 hrs (2017-05-02 08:53:51 GMT)
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In your post, you did not indicate what your dictionary searches had produced and why they did not appear to be satisfactory.

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Note added at 1 day11 mins (2017-05-02 23:48:11 GMT)
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No problem Lara. The term does have its normal meaning here so there was nothing too unusual to invent here. ;-)
Note from asker:
Hello. Sorry I did not post, I was aware of the general meaning but posted the question in a rush late at night. I was just looking for a contextual solution to be honest, which is why I submitted a phrase rather than simply the word "tributaire".
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree writeaway : also with added note.
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