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Dec 12, 2018 16:29
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Spanish term

ciencias para la discusión

Spanish to English Social Sciences Education / Pedagogy Colombia
In a student's transcript from Colombia.

Nucleo de Ciencias para la Discusión: filosofia, etica, ERE, politica.

Also referred to later as "ciencias de la discusión"

Son evaluadas respectivamente en el Nucleo Interdisciplinario de Ciencias de la Discusión y Pedagogia.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this term.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +2 Discussion science
3 +1 subjects/areas for discussion/debate
3 +1 communication studies
4 rhetorical sciences

Discussion

Chema Nieto Castañón Dec 13, 2018:
I am aware of the difficulty posed by the original expression. I understand it as key sciences (not just subject matters but sciences, as political science, philosophical science, etc.) that help develop argumentative skills -ciencias de/para la discusión- and not so much as sciences that allow for argumentation -ciencias debatibles/argumentables. As such I feel that the original might well be understood as a specific approach to what is generally known as communication studies. More so when pedagogy/education is brought into the equation. I have also thought of sciences of discourse or something along that line, although it seems to take us some way off the original focus. Discoursive sciences, as neilmac suggests, might also work, although I feel this expression might convey the idea of argumentables more so than para la argumentación / para la discusión (para facilitar herramientas o habilidades argumentativas, que es como entiendo el original).
Obviously enough the original context should help understand what is meant by ciencias de/para la discusión. And you English natives will surely help me clear the nuances involved -and my own doubts ;)

Proposed translations

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Discussion science

Or "Science/s for discussion", as the courses mentioned (philosophy, ethics, politics…) all involve a large discussion component.
I don't think there will be anything set in stone for this particular beastie.

PS: The word "sciences" in plural always seems a bit strange to me in English.

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Nucleo de Ciencias para la Discusión -> Core Science subjects for Discussion (or words to that effect)

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Note added at 2 hrs (2018-12-12 19:14:24 GMT)
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Yet another option could be "Discursive sciences":
Philosophy and the Abrahamic Religions: Scriptural Hermeneutics and ...
https://books.google.es/books?isbn=1443845582 - Traducir esta página
Torrance Kirby, ‎Rahim Acar - 2013 - ‎Philosophy
So, for example, Proclus speaks of the soul's immediate grasp of the first principles of the various discursive sciences which it projects without an elaborate ...

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In fact, "discursive sciences" is probably how I would translate ""ciencias de la discusión" elsewhere in the text (i.e. not in the heading).

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NOTE: I did Communication Studies as part of my degree course and don't recall it including anything about philosophy or ethics per se. In other universities it's called Media Studies and is mainly focused on radio, TV and film.
Reference:

https://academic.oup.com/spp/article-abstract/8/2/151/1706115?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Peer comment(s):
agree Nedra Rivera Huntington : I would opt for "discursive."
1 hr
Me too :)
agree philgoddard : I agree with "discursive", though I'd describe them as subjects, not sciences. They're the opposite of exact sciences such as mathematics and chemistry, which are about universal truths rather than opinions.
2 hrs
Yes, "discursive subjects" may be the best option, although I'm not sure what I'd do with the heading.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "I went with "discursive" as it seemed to fit the best. Thank you for your in-depth consideration of the question."
+1
3 hrs

subjects/areas for discussion/debate

hard to say here but maybe ...

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I would keep science out of it as just doesn't work in English in this context
Peer comment(s):
agree neilmac
13 hrs
thanks Neil
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5 hrs
Spanish term (edited): ciencias para/de la discusión

communication studies

From the little context provided I'd go with
Communication and Education [Pedagogy] Studies (Ciencias de la Discusión y Pedagogía).
Peer comment(s):
agree neilmac : This could probably work as well...
18 hrs
Thanks neilmac. I'm not that sure about this one; just posted my thoughts on Discussion...
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1 day 11 hrs

rhetorical sciences

It´s not exactly common, but there are quite a few references, especially in relation to the Arabic Rhetorical Sciences, and it would seem to fit here rather nicely.

'Discursive sciences' reminds me of discourse analysis (from linguistics), which would appear to be very different.

Thus, I would probably render this as:
"Core Disciplines of the Rhetorical Sciences: XXX, YYY, and ZZZ"

Tobias Schmohl - New Perspectives in Science Education
https://conference.pixel-online.net/NPSE/scientific_scheda.p...
Tobias obtained his PhD in the field of General Rhetorical Sciences after graduating in Rhetorics, Philosophy, German Studies and International Comparative ...

Ehsan Sadiq Al- Lawati, PH.D - Sultan Qaboos University
https://www.squ.edu.om/Portals/49/PDF/.../cv د. احسان بالانج...
of April 2001 for my book 'the Rhetorical Sciences. Among Arabs and Persians' ( my PhD subject). • A thank you and appreciation letter dated on7/4/2001 from ...

Axial Ages» in the History of Humanities: from Early Modern Times to ...
https://www.hse.ru › ... › Research projects
For the first section, these were texts reflecting the thematization of anthropological issues in the context of early modern 'rhetorical sciences of contingency' ...

Impact of Aristotelian Logic on the Rhetorical Sciences in Arabic ...
www.academia.edu/.../Impact_of_Aristotelian_Logic_on_the_Rh...
Keywords: 1. Rhetorical sciences in Arabic, 2. Science of the semantics, 3. Science of the statement, 4. Science of the good style, 5. Factors of translation, 6.

[PDF]Traditional Rhetorical Sciences and System of Speech in Arabic (An ...
https://scientificrc.com/dl/journals/3-IJSSHR/v6-i1-jan-mar2...
There is an urgent need to develop the rhetorical sciences in Arabic. The language of man develops and renews by the intellectual sources. By the changing in ...

[PDF]Impact of Aristotelian Logic on the Rhetorical Sciences in Arabic
repository.um.edu.my/25516/1/teks.pdf
Sep 21, 2012 - Definition of the rhetorical sciences in Arabic. A. The eloquence. It is used in Arabic language for many meanings, including the explanation ...
Impact of Aristotelian Logic on the Rhetorical Sciences in Arabic - UM ...
repository.um.edu.my/25516/

Jun 13, 2013 - RAHMAN, MOHD ZAKI BIN ABD (2012) Impact of Aristotelian Logic on the Rhetorical Sciences in Arabic. International Science And ...
[PDF]theory of rhetoric - East-West University
https://www.eastwest.edu/.../Rozhdestvensky-THEORY-OF-RHETOR...
1.2.10 Rhetorical sciences of the XXth century. 1.2.11 People and peoples existing through language. 1.2.12 Main stages of rhetoric's development form art into ...

Towards a Rhetorical Criticism of the Qur'an/ نحو استخدام جديد للمنهج ...
www.jstor.org/stable/25728111
by K Zebiri - ‎2003 - ‎Cited by 11 - ‎Related articles
expected to be versed in the rhetorical sciences) bears witness to the fact that the. Islamic scripture has always been studied and appreciated as literature, ...
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