Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Aug 5, 2009 10:32
14 yrs ago
Dutch term
Netherlands
lossen
Dutch to English
Other
Agriculture
Anyone ever heard this being used for 'oogsten'?
(Awful) sentence:
"Let op: Meer erwten van een hectare: Op tijd lossen!!!!"
Something like: 'To increase the yield: harvest on time!' would make sense.
Or could it just be 'unload'?
(Awful) sentence:
"Let op: Meer erwten van een hectare: Op tijd lossen!!!!"
Something like: 'To increase the yield: harvest on time!' would make sense.
Or could it just be 'unload'?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 | unload |
sindy cremer
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| 3 +1 | harvest |
Jack den Haan
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| 3 | loosen |
Annabel Rautenbach
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| 3 | yield |
D.K. Tannwitz
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| 3 | get (your harvest) out |
Max Nuijens
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| 3 | discharge/unload in a timely manner/more often |
LouisV (X)
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Change log
Aug 12, 2009 11:06: sindy cremer Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
2 hrs
sindy cremer
Native in Dutch
You have my word on it
Native in: Dutch 
Works in: English to Dutch, Dutch, Flemish to Dutch
Related KudoZ points
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12
Selected
unload
Have a look at this:
http://www.boerderij.nl/1079853/Akkerbouw/foto-akkerbouw/Erw...
and this:
http://www.voedingscentrum.nl/nl/eten-herkomst/productie/voe...
I think it simply refers to unloading the peas.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 12:55:28 GMT)
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Another convincing example (confidence level should have been at least "4"!)
http://www.ploeger.com/pdf/EPD530-nl.pdf
"Het schone, gedorste product
wordt via een in twee richtingen draaiende
bunkervulband in de grote bunker
(2,5 ton inhoud) gelost. De bunker kan
eenvoudig tijdens het werk, rijdend,
gelost worden."
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:03:14 GMT)
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"Let op: Meer erwten van een hectare: Op tijd lossen!!!!" doesn't necessary mean "to increase yield", imo, but it obviously depends on the context.
It could also refer to the fact that more peas are harvested per ha. (new machinery? other harvesting method?) and that therefore the "bunkers" have to be unloaded more frequently -> "op tijd lossen"
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:04:12 GMT)
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sorry typo: .. doesn't necessarily mean
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:07:45 GMT)
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I haven't come across a site on pea harvest where "lossen" is used for "harvesting" => erwten worden gedorst.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:17:15 GMT)
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I beg to differ. If "lossen" has to be done more frequently due to the larger harvest, the farmer will indeed have to take that into account AND will have to instruct drivers etc. accordingly.
I'd have doubts calling it "harvesting" if there are two perfect and widely used words in Dutch for that: oogsten/dorsen. Not "lossen".
It would have read "op tijd dorsen" or "op tijd oogsten".
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:25:45 GMT)
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http://www.agrifoto.nl/nieuws/log/1518 :
"In een tweede serie foto's genomen op zaterdag vijf juli zien we een ploeg erwtendorsers aan het werk die korte metten maken met een perceel erwten. ....... Lossen bij een Renault Ares 836rz met zelfbouw hoogkipper."
http://agrifotografie.nl/nieuws/log/795 :
"Sisu Valmet 6600 met Peecon KW 10000 kipper en Hoffmann aanhanger van akkerbouwbedrijf Manning uit Kopstukken. De New Holland Clayson 8050 is net aan het lossen."
en
"Lossen bij een John Deere met BKH Profiline kipper."
I rest my case.
http://www.boerderij.nl/1079853/Akkerbouw/foto-akkerbouw/Erw...
and this:
http://www.voedingscentrum.nl/nl/eten-herkomst/productie/voe...
I think it simply refers to unloading the peas.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 12:55:28 GMT)
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Another convincing example (confidence level should have been at least "4"!)
http://www.ploeger.com/pdf/EPD530-nl.pdf
"Het schone, gedorste product
wordt via een in twee richtingen draaiende
bunkervulband in de grote bunker
(2,5 ton inhoud) gelost. De bunker kan
eenvoudig tijdens het werk, rijdend,
gelost worden."
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:03:14 GMT)
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"Let op: Meer erwten van een hectare: Op tijd lossen!!!!" doesn't necessary mean "to increase yield", imo, but it obviously depends on the context.
It could also refer to the fact that more peas are harvested per ha. (new machinery? other harvesting method?) and that therefore the "bunkers" have to be unloaded more frequently -> "op tijd lossen"
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:04:12 GMT)
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sorry typo: .. doesn't necessarily mean
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:07:45 GMT)
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I haven't come across a site on pea harvest where "lossen" is used for "harvesting" => erwten worden gedorst.
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:17:15 GMT)
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I beg to differ. If "lossen" has to be done more frequently due to the larger harvest, the farmer will indeed have to take that into account AND will have to instruct drivers etc. accordingly.
I'd have doubts calling it "harvesting" if there are two perfect and widely used words in Dutch for that: oogsten/dorsen. Not "lossen".
It would have read "op tijd dorsen" or "op tijd oogsten".
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Note added at 2 hrs (2009-08-05 13:25:45 GMT)
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http://www.agrifoto.nl/nieuws/log/1518 :
"In een tweede serie foto's genomen op zaterdag vijf juli zien we een ploeg erwtendorsers aan het werk die korte metten maken met een perceel erwten. ....... Lossen bij een Renault Ares 836rz met zelfbouw hoogkipper."
http://agrifotografie.nl/nieuws/log/795 :
"Sisu Valmet 6600 met Peecon KW 10000 kipper en Hoffmann aanhanger van akkerbouwbedrijf Manning uit Kopstukken. De New Holland Clayson 8050 is net aan het lossen."
en
"Lossen bij een John Deere met BKH Profiline kipper."
I rest my case.
Example sentence:
Bij de drie dorsers rijdt continu een overlaadwagen. Hierin lossen de dorsers al rijdend hun bunker. De overlaadwagen lost op zijn beurt weer in de klaarstaande vrachtwagens.
Hierbij vallen de peulen open en de erwten worden opgevangen in een verzamelbak die wordt gelost in een vrachtwagen.
Note from asker:
| 'Lossen' does indeed mean to unload, but I can't see how unloading on time would lead to a considerable increase in yield! (Unless of course they mean 'don't leave the crop to rot in the trucks for a few days': hardly useful advice!) |
| It's plausible, but I'm doubtful. In practice, a typical operation will be well able to empty the bunkers frequently and on time. This is not normally something you would need to warn a farmer about. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Opted for 'empty'. But you set me on the right track!"
3 mins
Annabel Rautenbach
Native in English
Works in field
For fast, accurate translations
Native in: Afrikaans , English 
Works in: Dutch to English, Afrikaans to English, English to Afrikaans
loosen
With time, it will loosen (ie when it is ready)
Note from asker:
| I don't think you have interpreted the source text correctly! |
+1
21 mins
Jack den Haan
Netherlands
Netherlands
Native in Dutch
&
English
Netherlands
Qualified engineer, translator & teacher
Native in: Dutch , English (Variants: US, UK)
Works in: Dutch to English, English to Dutch
Related KudoZ points
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16
harvest
I'm not sure Olly, but I think your own suggestion could be in order here. In the pea-growing business, harvesting on time seems to be quite critical. See http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/157099... for instance. Tip: try googling 'harvest on time' in combination with 'pea'.
12 mins
D.K. Tannwitz
Germany
Germany
Germany
Industrial diversity
Native in: German (Variants: Austrian, Germany, Platt / Nieder (Low German), Bavarian)
Works in: German to English, Dutch to German, English to German, and 3 more.
yield
to yield a large crop
in the sense of "inbrengen"
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Note added at 25 mins (2009-08-05 10:57:34 GMT)
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The earlier peas are harvested the better. Overriped peas are
stale and mealy.
in the sense of "inbrengen"
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Note added at 25 mins (2009-08-05 10:57:34 GMT)
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The earlier peas are harvested the better. Overriped peas are
stale and mealy.
Note from asker:
| Yield on time? |
17 mins
Max Nuijens
Netherlands
Netherlands
Native in Dutch
Works in field
Netherlands
Energy & Environment, MSc
Native in: Dutch (Variant: Netherlands)
Works in: English to Dutch
Related KudoZ points
:
4
get (your harvest) out
I had a look on the original Internet file. The one with the helicopter. I would say something like:
"Get your harvest out on time!"
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Note added at 27 mins (2009-08-05 10:59:49 GMT)
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Generally, (after reading some farmer enthusiast Internet fora) "lossen" refers to driving one's tractor with attached wagon filled with peas from the harvester to a larger vessel or to another point where it can be unloaded. Perhaps it is also used broader, "unloading" a field, it makes sense although I am not sure. In this case both notions seem to be used to make a pun.
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Note added at 39 mins (2009-08-05 11:11:26 GMT)
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Right, a pun. Harvesting is done by a large machine and the harvesting itself is not so difficult, driving tractors to and fro and getting the harvest to the factory fast takes most of the work and logistical headache. So getting it out on time / get it out fast is an important aim for farmers. You need big tractors, trucks perhaps - or an army chopper.
I have no idea what wet seasons do to peas and if that plays any role.
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Note added at 41 mins (2009-08-05 11:13:46 GMT)
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This is where the experts 'talk':
http://www.boerenforum.be/viewtopic.php?t=648
"Get your harvest out on time!"
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Note added at 27 mins (2009-08-05 10:59:49 GMT)
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Generally, (after reading some farmer enthusiast Internet fora) "lossen" refers to driving one's tractor with attached wagon filled with peas from the harvester to a larger vessel or to another point where it can be unloaded. Perhaps it is also used broader, "unloading" a field, it makes sense although I am not sure. In this case both notions seem to be used to make a pun.
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Note added at 39 mins (2009-08-05 11:11:26 GMT)
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Right, a pun. Harvesting is done by a large machine and the harvesting itself is not so difficult, driving tractors to and fro and getting the harvest to the factory fast takes most of the work and logistical headache. So getting it out on time / get it out fast is an important aim for farmers. You need big tractors, trucks perhaps - or an army chopper.
I have no idea what wet seasons do to peas and if that plays any role.
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Note added at 41 mins (2009-08-05 11:13:46 GMT)
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This is where the experts 'talk':
http://www.boerenforum.be/viewtopic.php?t=648
Note from asker:
| Hadn't looked at that yet! So you're suggesting that 'lossen' can mean harvest? Or is this some kind of pun on the helicopter and the truck (and the mud - get your harvest out before the wet season!) |
20 hrs
discharge/unload in a timely manner/more often
could it be that the writer is warning that since the yield per ha. is high, the harvester needs to be discharged/unloaded more often (into trailers/trucks following the harvester?
Note from asker:
| Thanks, Sindy already suggested that. I think 'empty' may be the best verb here. |
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