Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
brandpop
English translation:
Fire Manikin
Added to glossary by
Katja van Hellemond
Apr 30, 2011 15:26
13 yrs ago
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Dutch term
brandpop
Dutch to English
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Vertaling voor een bedrijf dat artikelen verkoopt die gebruikt worden voor o.a. het trainen van brandweermannen. Een brandpop is een soort hittebestendige mannequin waar men bijvoorbeel vuurgel op kan smeren.
Deze brandpop is speciaal ontwikkeld voor bij het oefenen van brandwerkzaamheden. De pop is gemaakt van een glasdoek met een bestendigheid van 650 °C met aan de binnenkant ter plaatse van de borst en rug een siliconendoek ter voorkoming van intrekkend brandvloeistof.
Deze brandpop is speciaal ontwikkeld voor bij het oefenen van brandwerkzaamheden. De pop is gemaakt van een glasdoek met een bestendigheid van 650 °C met aan de binnenkant ter plaatse van de borst en rug een siliconendoek ter voorkoming van intrekkend brandvloeistof.
Proposed translations
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5 +1 | Fire Manikin | Dave Greatrix |
References
Fire retardant dummies | Sue Stewart-Anderson (X) |
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Fire Manikin
or Fire Rescue Manikin
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http://www.fitp-ltd.com/products/fire_manikins.html
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Word History: A department store mannequin is often not a man and often not little, yet mannequin goes back to the Middle Dutch word mannekijn, the diminutive form of man, "man, person." As for the size of a mannequin, the Middle Dutch word could mean "dwarf" but in Modern Dutch developed the specialized sense of "an artist's jointed model." This was the sense in which we adopted the word (first recorded in 1570), making it another term like easel and landscape taken over from the terminology of Dutch painters of the time. The word borrowed from Dutch now has the form manikin. We later adopted the French version of the Dutch word as well, giving English mannequin, and this is now the form most commonly encountered and the one commonly used for a department store dummy as well as a live model.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2011-04-30 18:32:09 GMT)
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http://www.fitp-ltd.com/products/fire_manikins.html
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Note added at 1 day21 hrs (2011-05-02 12:45:34 GMT)
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Word History: A department store mannequin is often not a man and often not little, yet mannequin goes back to the Middle Dutch word mannekijn, the diminutive form of man, "man, person." As for the size of a mannequin, the Middle Dutch word could mean "dwarf" but in Modern Dutch developed the specialized sense of "an artist's jointed model." This was the sense in which we adopted the word (first recorded in 1570), making it another term like easel and landscape taken over from the terminology of Dutch painters of the time. The word borrowed from Dutch now has the form manikin. We later adopted the French version of the Dutch word as well, giving English mannequin, and this is now the form most commonly encountered and the one commonly used for a department store dummy as well as a live model.
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Peer comment(s):
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Lianne van de Ven
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Terry Costin
: yes, manikin is from French but what it actually is, is this: Fire Training Doll
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No, it's actually a "fire manikin" in English. This is the recognised term for a "fire training doll". Plus the word mannikin comes from the Dutch language, not French. See above.
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Comment: "Thanks Dave!"
Reference comments
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Fire retardant dummies
Check out this website. It has a wide range of dummies for different purposes. Yours sounds like a fire retardant/fire rescue dummy or something on those lines.
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Note from asker:
The company I'm working for is actually also selling the Ruth Lee dummies but they are specifically using a different word for the fire training 'doll' or 'manikin'. |
Discussion
In that way, then a manikin would relate to a doll-like idea, or would it not? Therefore someone along the line, decided to turn the doll-like idea - doll which indeed sounds far inferior to the professional sounding word manikin - into a term that would be better for business, but in my view, it is always a doll.
Doll wouldn't sound right/professional, indeed, but it is instantly understandable to everyone. And the Dutch term uses pop and not manneke or manikin. Brandpop, Brand manikin, Brand manneke, Brand vrouwke, Brand mannequin.
But Fire manikin, brandpop, are not descriptive terms.
It's only personal opinion, personally I'd go for the instant explanation. If not the done thing, doesn't mean it's a bad idea. The Dutch term does sound childish: brandpop.
If Fire Training Doll is inadequate so is brandpop.
"a form representing the human figure"
I tend to specialise in technical texts - if I started making up my own terms for recognised technical terms, I doubt if I would get much work. Just because a technical term is correct it doesn't make it "flashy", it just makes it right in the eyes of the intended audience - in this case firefighters, (mannikin is the recognised term used within the vast majority of fire departments). I believe that if there is a recognised English noun for a Dutch one, then it should be used. Any translators that feel this is the wrong approach are without doubt vastly outnumbered by those that think it is right.
Yes, after brief further enquiry, you are right, still, a doll is what it is and what an average native English speaker would instantly understand without having to carry out research, fire fighters may be familiar with that word but I doubt average Joe has ever heard of it. At times such as these I wonder what is in actual fact best, clarity or the use (perhaps correct) terminology that the average person doesn't know about.
We later adopted the French version of the Dutch word as well