Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
grammar: questions arisen
English answer:
questions which/that have arisen (or which arose)
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RHELLER
Apr 29, 2005 00:25
19 yrs ago
English term
arisen
English
Art/Literary
Linguistics
Please kindly answer my questions that has arisen from reading
Question: Can I just say "...questions arisen from..."?
TIA!!!
Question: Can I just say "...questions arisen from..."?
TIA!!!
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my questions which have arisen from
or you can say which arose from
no, you cannot use arisen alone
it is to be used with a "helping" or "auxiliary" verb
has gone, has eaten, has taken
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http://leo.stcloudstate.edu/grammar/tenses.html
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participles as adjectives.
Many participles can also function as adjectives: an interesting experience, an interested customer; the surprising results, the surprised researchers. But it is often hard to tell when a participle is an adjective, especially with past participles. Linguists have a number of tests for confirming an adjective. Here are four of them:
Can the word be used attributively (i.e., before the noun it modifies), as in an intriguing offer.
Can it be used in the predicate, especially after the verb seem, as in She thought the party boring and He seems concerned about you.
Can it be compared, as in We are even more encouraged now and The results are most encouraging.
Can it be modified by very, as in They are very worried about this.
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Some adjectives pass more of these tests than others and are thus more purely adjectival. Disastrous, for instance, passes tests 1, 2, and 3, but not 4. When used as adjectives, most participles pass all four tests, but modification by very is tricky.
You can tell that a past participle is really part of a passive verb—and not an adjective—when it is followed by a by prepositional phrase that has a personal agent as its object. Thus, the participle married would be part of the verb in the sentence Chuck and Wendy were married by a bishop but used as an adjective in the sentence Chuck and Wendy were happily married for about six months. To confirm the adjectival status of a participle, try transforming the sentence to see if the participle can come before the noun: For about six months Chuck and Wendy were a happily married couple.
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no, you cannot use arisen alone
it is to be used with a "helping" or "auxiliary" verb
has gone, has eaten, has taken
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Note added at 6 mins (2005-04-29 00:31:46 GMT)
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http://leo.stcloudstate.edu/grammar/tenses.html
for grammar examples
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Note added at 3 hrs 1 min (2005-04-29 03:27:03 GMT)
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participles as adjectives.
Many participles can also function as adjectives: an interesting experience, an interested customer; the surprising results, the surprised researchers. But it is often hard to tell when a participle is an adjective, especially with past participles. Linguists have a number of tests for confirming an adjective. Here are four of them:
Can the word be used attributively (i.e., before the noun it modifies), as in an intriguing offer.
Can it be used in the predicate, especially after the verb seem, as in She thought the party boring and He seems concerned about you.
Can it be compared, as in We are even more encouraged now and The results are most encouraging.
Can it be modified by very, as in They are very worried about this.
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Some adjectives pass more of these tests than others and are thus more purely adjectival. Disastrous, for instance, passes tests 1, 2, and 3, but not 4. When used as adjectives, most participles pass all four tests, but modification by very is tricky.
You can tell that a past participle is really part of a passive verb—and not an adjective—when it is followed by a by prepositional phrase that has a personal agent as its object. Thus, the participle married would be part of the verb in the sentence Chuck and Wendy were married by a bishop but used as an adjective in the sentence Chuck and Wendy were happily married for about six months. To confirm the adjectival status of a participle, try transforming the sentence to see if the participle can come before the noun: For about six months Chuck and Wendy were a happily married couple.
http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/047.html
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Will Matter
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thanks Will :-)
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Refugio
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thanks Ruth :-)
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Robert Donahue (X)
: Actually I'd drop either "kindly" or "please" from this sentence too. Way too floral.
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you are SO right :-)
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Charlie Bavington
: my questions THAT have arisen (I'll post a justification separately :-) )
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ah yes, the UK vs the US again
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RINA LINGUISTIC SERVICES, Katarina Radojevic- Mitrovic
: see my notes: arisen from can be used as an adjective
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kudoz rules: you must show justification (i.e. references) to backup disagrees
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humbird
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thanks Humbird :-)
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Vicky Papaprodromou
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thanks Vicky!
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Pawel Gromek
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thanks Pawel!
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Alfa Trans (X)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you all for help! I appreciate good rewordings greatly! I 've learned things here. :-)"
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questions that arose from reading
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arisen by
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arisen by
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RINA LINGUISTIC SERVICES, Katarina Radojevic- Mitrovic
: but there is no need to use "that", just arose from
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true, thanx!
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rangepost
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thnx!
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see explanation
How about something like "I have read your ... and have some questions, which I hope you can answer."
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RINA LINGUISTIC SERVICES, Katarina Radojevic- Mitrovic
: yes, Can,we should try not to complicate things
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Thank you.
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Gabo Pena
: agree with Rina, simple is masterful...
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Thank you.
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Robert Donahue (X)
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Thank you.
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arose from or try "emanate from/ flow out from "
It is not acceptable to use the verb in singular "has arisen", but in plural "have arisen", but in my opinion it is better to use The Simple Past Tense (if the action is finished)= arose from.
... Questions arose from...or Questions emanated from... Due to lack of context I cannot say wether you could use just "arisen from", but it is acceptable to use arisen as an adjective followed by from. Further there is no need to use "that or which", just "Questions arose from".
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Just take a look at this example:A slight unpleasantness arose from this discussion.
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You may try arasing from also if new questions still occurs: Questions arising from... Refer to example:Injuries arising from defective products.
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See the standard terms where \"arisen\" is used as an adjective: debt arisen before the bankruptcy was opene;fully-arisen sea.. It is obvious that arisen fromcan be used as an adjective: Questions arisen from reading, made me some troubles. LOL
... Questions arose from...or Questions emanated from... Due to lack of context I cannot say wether you could use just "arisen from", but it is acceptable to use arisen as an adjective followed by from. Further there is no need to use "that or which", just "Questions arose from".
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Just take a look at this example:A slight unpleasantness arose from this discussion.
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Note added at 36 mins (2005-04-29 01:02:01 GMT)
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You may try arasing from also if new questions still occurs: Questions arising from... Refer to example:Injuries arising from defective products.
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See the standard terms where \"arisen\" is used as an adjective: debt arisen before the bankruptcy was opene;fully-arisen sea.. It is obvious that arisen fromcan be used as an adjective: Questions arisen from reading, made me some troubles. LOL
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Gabo Pena
: excellent!
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thanks dear colleague
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RHELLER
: questions...made me some troubles??? that is not English;DON'T misquote me. Read the phrase again.
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What? Using the past participle as an adjective is not English? Very strange!
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Charlie Bavington
: you can't use arisen willy-nilly like that as adjective unless it's for the subject. And while not grammatically wrong, native English speakers just don't say "made me some troubles" - at the very least it should be "caused".
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As you can see I used it as an adjective for the subject, and also it can be used for the object...For the verb: make troubles see the English Idioms, 2. edition and you will see that is the English phrase and means just as you said "caused..."
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arising + that versus which
I quite like "..my questions arsing from reading".
That vs which, taken from some notes I got on the subject from somewhere...
'Which' informs, 'that' defines.
'This is the house that Jack built.' But 'This house, which Jack built, is now falling down.'
"that" is used in identifying/defining relative clauses (those that tell us which person or thing is meant), and "which" in nonidetifying (those that tell us more about whatever), i.e they inform
--The Economist Style Guide, 1991<<
>>If you *can* replace a "which" by a "that" without it grating on the ear, you should.<<
>> another clue is that identifying clauses (those using that) are not separated by commas <<
(and by extension, if it needs commas, it's a which, as Word will tell you!)
>> Another clue is that if you can miss out the relative pronoun without changing the meaning, it's a defining clause (i.e you could put that) <<
Fowler points out that people tend to write "which" more often than they say it, and as a result "which" is considered by some to be more correct or literary.
Overall, I'd be inclined to use "that" here, as you already have, although it would be hard to argue that "which" is actually wrong.
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whoops, unfortunate typo - not \"arsing\" (!) but arising, of course :-)
That vs which, taken from some notes I got on the subject from somewhere...
'Which' informs, 'that' defines.
'This is the house that Jack built.' But 'This house, which Jack built, is now falling down.'
"that" is used in identifying/defining relative clauses (those that tell us which person or thing is meant), and "which" in nonidetifying (those that tell us more about whatever), i.e they inform
--The Economist Style Guide, 1991<<
>>If you *can* replace a "which" by a "that" without it grating on the ear, you should.<<
>> another clue is that identifying clauses (those using that) are not separated by commas <<
(and by extension, if it needs commas, it's a which, as Word will tell you!)
>> Another clue is that if you can miss out the relative pronoun without changing the meaning, it's a defining clause (i.e you could put that) <<
Fowler points out that people tend to write "which" more often than they say it, and as a result "which" is considered by some to be more correct or literary.
Overall, I'd be inclined to use "that" here, as you already have, although it would be hard to argue that "which" is actually wrong.
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whoops, unfortunate typo - not \"arsing\" (!) but arising, of course :-)
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Gabo Pena
: i.m confussed and diffused...
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What about, old stick? :-) If I can shed any light, let me know....
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You might considering rewording it a bit: "Would you please (be so kind and) answer the questions I have after reading the notes...".
Just as a side note: In your added context, you say it goes on to read "...the notes for...". That would, of course, be correct if this is about music, but otherwise "notes" is usually used together with "on".
:-)
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Of course, if you do formulate it this way, it needs to end with a question mark. ;-)
Just as a side note: In your added context, you say it goes on to read "...the notes for...". That would, of course, be correct if this is about music, but otherwise "notes" is usually used together with "on".
:-)
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Of course, if you do formulate it this way, it needs to end with a question mark. ;-)
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Kim Metzger
: Good way to phrase it.
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Robert Donahue (X)
: Would you please be so kind as to answer these questions I have after reading...".
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