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Noe Tessmann 
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Dear colleagues,
I always wondered if it is possible to use some software to detect plagiarism for translation purposes. Many of the authors copy parts of their texts from the internet and sometimes it would be helpful to know if there are existing translations in your language for exemple on the EU website before you start working.
It should work like any CAT tool looking for fuzzy matches. The best thing would be a rough online alignment, but this seems be too good t... See more Dear colleagues,
I always wondered if it is possible to use some software to detect plagiarism for translation purposes. Many of the authors copy parts of their texts from the internet and sometimes it would be helpful to know if there are existing translations in your language for exemple on the EU website before you start working.
It should work like any CAT tool looking for fuzzy matches. The best thing would be a rough online alignment, but this seems be too good to be true.
Does anyone use such software and if yes what are your experiences?
Thanks in advance
Noe
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| | | | Attila Piróth
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| Jack Doughty
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I don't know the answer to this, but there were some stories in the UK press a few months ago about examiners using software to check exam papers, degree theses etc. for plagiarism.
| | | | Noe Tessmann
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Hello,
I think about situations where you realise at the end of your translation that large paragraphs already exist somewhere on the web, which at least could have inspired you.
@ Atila:
I think about about machine alignment not human alignment, asking for a TM would be too much.
A part of the EU website is now accessible through the DGT TM but the rest has to scanned by hand?
Regards
Noe
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Tony M
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SITE LOCALIZER | Google helps a lot! | May 13, 2008 |
Hardly a systematic way of going about it, but I very often find that if I Google a salient chunk of text, I come up with the exact-same document that I'm working on, and once I've found that, it often leads on to other treasures...
| | | | Noe Tessmann
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TOPIC STARTER | Help Google further | May 13, 2008 |
Hello Tony,
yes but there is software, that examines every chunk of your text with Google and tells you if the author found some pieces in the internet. From your experience you could than mostly tell if there is a chance, that something exists in your language.
Noe
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| | | | Lia Fail (X)
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Noe Tessmann wrote:
yes but there is software
Noe
[Edited at 2008-05-13 17:14]
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Noone seems to know exactly what yoiu are talking about but I've had a similar experience to Tony and discovered plagiarism using my 6th sense and Google. There IS software, pub houses use it, and if you do a search on Google fori "plagiarism software" there lost of even free softaware.
As a translator I don't use this software, it doesn't seem to fit with what translators are required to do (meaning that I think the eds of pub houses are more responsible for this kind of "policing").
Yet I do take a principled stand, and difficult tho it is, I manage somehow to get out of translating anything that shows evidence of plagiarism.
| | | | | Have not run into this | May 14, 2008 |
I have not run into this issue myself in business and financial translation. I could see that this would be useful if authors re-use parts of their own company's materials (that's not plagiarism, though). Often they do this, but don't mention which parts of a report or document may have been taken from other material. In that case, it would be useful to find the other document and a possible translation, since consistency is important.
On a different note, a friend of mine teaches o... See more I have not run into this issue myself in business and financial translation. I could see that this would be useful if authors re-use parts of their own company's materials (that's not plagiarism, though). Often they do this, but don't mention which parts of a report or document may have been taken from other material. In that case, it would be useful to find the other document and a possible translation, since consistency is important.
On a different note, a friend of mine teaches online classes and is required to run all student work through plagiarism software. She has caught people this way.
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| Doughty post | May 14, 2008 |
The British press referred to was the Economist AFAIK. Your may be able to use their Website to get hold of the article and start from there. Otherwise let me know an I go through my issues. Good luck.
| | | | Noe Tessmann
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TOPIC STARTER | Results of a test with plagarism finder | May 14, 2008 |
Hello,
sorry for being not clear enough. Here's a result for a 2 pages text about flexicurity.
Some of the links seem to be useful especially those from the EU website, but I am not willing to pay 50 euros for the full version of plagarism finder.
I'll do some more tests.
Regards
Noe
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| | | | | interesting idea | May 14, 2008 |
I just google characteristic bits and go from there (one job contained a very strange word which is not in any dictionary I have access to. I googled it and there was only one hit... the document where my the bits that made up my job came from. The site contained the official translation as well.)
Automating this could come in handy.
I just had a look and there are a coup... See more I just google characteristic bits and go from there (one job contained a very strange word which is not in any dictionary I have access to. I googled it and there was only one hit... the document where my the bits that made up my job came from. The site contained the official translation as well.)
Automating this could come in handy.
I just had a look and there are a couple of free programs, like this one: http://www.plagiarism.phys.virginia.edu/
No idea if any of them are any good, never tried any.
The "rough online alignment" bit is unlikely esp as you need to find a translation as well as your original document.
But I just did a sizable alignment project (73000 TUs) and can vouch for hunalign. If you have a word pair dictionary of your language pair and the originals are mostly in synch it does a remarkable job even without human intervention. Most of the time it detected correctly when one of the texts had 5 paragraphs missing!
With precisely formatted and exactly matching input texts like the europarl corpus you just throw the text at it and get a 99.9% correct automatic alignment. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Allesklar
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If you are inclined and able, iMacros could be some help with this.
I haven't looked into it properly yet, but the commercial version also has a scripting interface which could theoretically be used to link a Google search macro to an alignment application.
Don't know whether the potential benefits would justify the trouble, but certainly interesting to play around with.
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Samuel Murray
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| Yes, but you can't use the translation, can you? | May 15, 2008 |
Noe Tessmann wrote:
...and sometimes it would be helpful to know if there are existing translations in your language for exemple on the EU website before you start working.
What good would it do you if you find an existing translation? You can't use someone else's translation except for terminological purposes. Copyright of exiting translations belong to their respective translators, even if the client owns copyright or has a licence to use the source text.
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| Good point Samuel | May 15, 2008 |
Samuel Murray wrote:
Noe Tessmann wrote:
...and sometimes it would be helpful to know if there are existing translations in your language for exemple on the EU website before you start working.
What good would it do you if you find an existing translation? You can't use someone else's translation except for terminological purposes. Copyright of exiting translations belong to their respective translators, even if the client owns copyright or has a licence to use the source text.
Good point! If you then use this to plagiarise the text you have found, this software might be used against you and you end up with egg on your face at best and at worst a breach of copyright lawsuit. (Of course whether or not you get caught totally depends on the use to which your translation will be put, but the question remains is it morally acceptable to copy large chunks of text without permission?)
I remember a situation once where we were translating a long document issued by the Polish State Treasury. It was a prospectus showing the tendering/bidding procedures for building power stations. By coincidence, we found out through an associate that they were translating the same document for another client. Happy days. We pooled resources and shared the work. No copying issues in this case, but it was somewhat exceptional.
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TOPIC STARTER | I am a plagiarist | May 15, 2008 |
Hello,
thanks for your input, but I am a plagiarist I don't reinvent phrases like "turn the screw to the left". I borrow formulations from Wikipedia even from Windows glossaries. I know you're the good guys you would never do this.
Actually I translate a lot of EU related texts so I even have to copy entire paragraphs from white or green papers, press releases, communications, quotations and so on. I am soooo evil. Sometimes they're hard to find and a plagiarism detec... See more Hello,
thanks for your input, but I am a plagiarist I don't reinvent phrases like "turn the screw to the left". I borrow formulations from Wikipedia even from Windows glossaries. I know you're the good guys you would never do this.
Actually I translate a lot of EU related texts so I even have to copy entire paragraphs from white or green papers, press releases, communications, quotations and so on. I am soooo evil. Sometimes they're hard to find and a plagiarism detector would be helpful for me.
Kind regards
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